
(So there is no confusion, this article was written by Kenny Masenda aka Soul On Ice. LOL, thanks. -Ed.)
Before I begin, I must say thanks to The NFL Chick for contributing to the post at hand.
For some people, they may consider what I’m about to say a blasphemous statement, and I can see why. However, lets try our best to look past the glitz of the 11-0 record the New Orleans Saints have right now, and look at the entire picture. It’s a story that goes back well before this season, and has been on display for the past few years. The reality, harsh or otherwise, is that Philip Rivers is not only a top-five quarterback in the NFL, he is better than Drew Brees. That’s right, I said it.
Let me get this outta the way, before people call me a hater: Drew Brees is my dude. I liked him in college, he’s Texas Made, and I love what he’s been able to do for the Saints, so there’s no hatred. I like Rivers too, which I’ve mentioned before on the site. More than anything, it’s taking a look at the two quarterbacks, how one was brought in, with the sole purpose of replacing the other, and how things have played out in that time.
Take a look at something that I already know people will disagree with me on, but I honestly think is true: Rivers does more with less than Brees. We all see New Orleans’ offense. They have a three-headed monster at tailback with Bell/Bush/Thomas, and terrific wide receivers. San Diego has LT, whose best days have been behind him since 2007, and Darren Sproles, not someone I consider a true running back. New Orleans throws Pierre Thomas in there, and they don’t miss a beat. The same goes for Mike Bell, and we don’t even need to discuss what happens when Bush is playing well. Hell, he could go to San Diego and be their number-three receiver. Okay, I’m reaching, but the man is extremely versatile for the New Orleans attack. Vincent Jackson is good, but I think Marques Colston is a top-15 receiver, so advantage Saints. Same with the remaining receivers: Henderson > Floyd, and since the Chargers don’t have a true number-three receiver, but the Saints have Moore/Meachem/Thomas, the advantage is overwhelmingly in favor of New Orleans. The Chargers do have a better tight end, so I’ll concede that point. New Orleans plays in a pass-happy offense, while San Diego does not. Rivers has shown he can sit back and throw all day long, and get gaudy numbers, from the fact he tied for the lead in touchdown passes last season with Brees. Their defenses both specialize in certain areas, and they’re nearly identical in terms of how good they are, so feel free to draw your own conclusions in that department.

Now I’m aware Philip Rivers plays in the AFC West, but the last time I checked, it isn’t like the NFC South has been worth a damn at all this season anyway. Atlanta is up-and-down, Carolina is terrible, and Tampa Bay is rebuilding. How does someone explain the Falcons and Panthers free-fall, when they were both in the playoffs last year? At least the Broncos are attempting to make it interesting this season by playing some good football, and we knew going into the season that the Chiefs and Raiders were gonna suck.
Of course, something has to be said for playoff success. Rivers stumbled out of the gate in his first playoff game a few years ago, but since then, the Chargers have had playoff success, by beating the Colts (twice), and the Titans. Plus, he played those 2007 playoff games with a torn ACL! The Saints have one playoff win, against the Eagles, when Sheldon Brown damn near ended Reggie Bush’s life (I know that has nothing to do with anything, but that’s what I remember from that game, more than anything). With Rivers, the Chargers have made the playoffs every year he’s been a starter. With Brees, the Saints made the playoffs in his first year as a starter, but have missed the playoffs the last two seasons. Once again, the Saints are off-the-chain this year, but it’s not like it’s a year-in-year-out thing with them.
Like I said, this isn’t an attack on Drew Brees, because he’s very good, and I like the guy. However, Philip Rivers has been doing work for quite some time. The Chargers went and got Rivers (via draft trade with the Giants, who wanted Eli), even though they already had Brees. The Chargers had to know something, because they eventually let him walk, so they could start Rivers. Given how things have gone since then, it’s safe to leave it at this: #17 > #9.
Be easy.
HAS KENNY GONE INSANE? HOW GOOD REALLY IS PHILIP RIVERS? LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS!
-K. Masenda
www.edthesportsfan.com



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26 Responses to "17 > 9: The Link Between Philip Rivers and Drew Brees"Sorry Kenny, but you have lost your damn mind. Completely. This is the dumbest concept you've ever come up with, seriously. Rivers is good, real good, but the quarterback royalty goes like this:
Brady and Peyton as one and one-A.
Right below them Drew Brees.
Below that, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE else.
Remember that Brees was doing just as much with even worse wide receivers, albeit LT in his prime, in San Diego as Rivers has. And face the facts man, Rivers can't hold a candle to Brees at reading a defense. Just can't. This isn't blasphemy. It's pure insanity.
Hehehehe...this is going to be an interesting morning. I'm going to wait to put my two cents in...Kenny, you better wake up soon and prepare to defend yourself.
-Ed.
Where is the DISLIKE button?
This post is utter CRAP! What did Ochocinco say? CHILD PLEASE!!!!!!!!
Seriously, Kenny, this is making me question everything I thought you knew about football. Really? Philip Rivers is better than Drew Brees? REALLY?!?!? You really believe that? I cannot fathom this.
REALLY? Top 5 worst ever sports articles I have ever read.
A couple of things:
1. This article isn't as blasphemous as everyone is saying it is. It just isn't. Philip Rivers, as much as I hate saying it as a Raiders fan, is a GREAT quarterback. So what if he's a winey prick with no verve and has the same personality Ryan Leaf had, dude is very good.
2. You can't fault Brees for not making the playoffs the last couple of years when he still played his ass off while the Saints battled injuries... and over in the AFC West, Rivers also had a dude named Chris Chambers before this season. A Chambers, Jackson, Gates corp with LT and Sproles change of pace is damn near unstoppable. That's a Super Bowl worthy offense if LT decided it would have been better for his legacy if he played a couple of meaningful football games. Brees has NEVER had an offense like that, never.
3. Rivers is a much better quarterback at getting his playmakers the ball. He loses Chambers and is still able to get the ball to Jackson whenever he wants, only Manning and Favre, in my opinion, have the ability to do that better than Rivers. That's it, not even Brady. However, NO ONE in the league distributes the ball better than Brees does. And to be quite honest, it's not even close. Manning is second, but a distant second. Brees threw for over 5,000 yards last season and didn't have ONE 1,000 yard receiver. Rivers will NEVER be able to do something like that.
4. I don't think you can go wrong with either. But if I had to choose, I'd take Brees if I had a slew of talent and needed to keep everyone happy (which, as we know, is a huge asset to have when we have the T.O.s and Keyshawn Johnsons in this world), but if I had one alpha dog for a WR and a couple of decent dudes, I'd take Rivers and leave his Ryan Leafesque attitude behind.
@ The Rev
How is it THAT insane? Can we agree that Brees has more around him than Rivers? And if Brees was doing as much as Rivers was back then, then how come the Chargers never won a playoff game with arguably more weapons at his disposal than Rivers has now? I won't say winning is everything, but it's significant, brother. I don't think the gap is that wide, sir. I just don't.
@ imsohideous
I'm not tryna take anything away from what Brees did last year, because it was incredible. He's been great in New Orleans. If people wanna say "pick your poison," that's cool. I can take that one.
I don't agree that Brees has more around him than Rivers. Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd and Naanee are huge, underrated targets. LT is still good, though not what he once was. Darren Sproles. Gates. That's a TON of weapons. Pretty damn close to Bush, Thomas/Bell (same player essentially), Colston, Meachum, Moore, Henerson, Shockey. Slight edge maybe for Brees, but maybe that's because Brees is so damn good at getting everyone involved.
All I'm saying is I watch both these quarterbacks every single week. I got the NFL Ticket and Red Zone Channel. There's no way you can watch both of them play next to each other and reasonably come to the conclusion that Rivers is better than Brees. Just can't. I'm not knocking Rivers either. He's really good, bordering on becoming great. But honestly, throw out the stats and everything else if you want. Just watch them side by side. Brees is a fucking surgeon.
Plus, dude is torching it up against some of the best teams in the league. Rivers gets to play the Chiefs and Raiders twice apiece. Just sayin. I guess I hear your arguments that Rivers is great. I would even buy he's really close to Brees, maybe. But better, seriously, this is delusional. I really think it is.
You do know how to start a debate though.
LOL this is funny... people seem to look at Brees now and not his full body of work.. Also, people think Rivers is a huge hot head and can't stand him, while Brees is the darling of the NFL. I agree with this post and for many reasons why.
1. Brees is the reason why Rivers was drafted by SD to begin with. Most people forget the years that Brees struggled during SD (2002-2004). It was until 2005 that Brees finally had the QB light turned on. Even with LT, Jackson, and the same cast (both offense and Defense) he still took SD to a 9-7 record in '05, In 2006, Rivers QB'd the exact same team to 14-2 and a #1 AFC seed, a 5 game differential with the same squad. Brees was, as Eddie calls it, "A slow starter".. 3-4 years slow
2. Rivers is probably the only other QB besides Brady to give Manning a run for his money, head-to-head. He's beaten him 3 out of 4 times and 2-0 in the playoffs.
3. While Brees may not be able to do anything about the Saints D in his losing seasons, or when they didn't make the playoffs, his indiv stats weren't even in a conversation until 2006, when he led the league in passing yards. While Brees did have a league leading 34 TDs in 2008, he was tied for that title. The other QB??? Rivers, who BTW, led the league in QB rating as well, in his 3rd years starting.
3a. To the Rev paul Revere, Rivers can't read defense but had the same TDs as Bees last season with less INTs and as of right now, his INT% is lower than Rivers... please explain your logic
4. For those that love numbers and think Brees is WAY better than Rivers on paper... their career numbers speak for themselves:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RivePh00.htm
Thanks for coming out, God Bless and good night *drops mic*
We'll disagree on the weapons part (receivers-wise), because I simply believe what the Chargers have at that position is nowhere near what the Saints have. You're absolutely right about Brees being a surgeon. Rivers works in the medical field too, though. It aint like he's flippin' burgers. Analogies be damned; it would be one thing if I couldn't stand Brees, but Drew Brees is one of my favorite QBs in the entire league. Ah, different strokes for different folks, but I certainly don't get it when people think Brees is blowing this man out of the water. It's always good to get some shit goin', especially when I know it's a debate with someone who knows what they're talkin' about, such as yourself.
NFL Chick you can pick that mic back up. The Chargers didn't draft Rivers to begin with. They drafted Eli, then traded for Rivers. Second, they went for a QB because Brees had an injured shoulder and they thought he'd never recover, not because he wasn't all sorts of good. Lots of QBs struggle early in their careers, especially when they're on a team that wasn't exactly great when he took the helm. Third, never said Rivers couldn't read a defense. Said he couldn't read a defense as well as Brees. Get your facts straight. Third, TD/Int ratio is a nice stat and all, but Donovan McNabb has the best TD/Int ratio of any active QBs. He's not as good as Brees or Rivers right now. What I'm saying is, you can make numbers say whatever you want. What I'm saying is, I watch them both on the regular, and I just don't agree. And as far as full body of work for Brees, are you on drugs? His first two years as a starter, he struggled on a pretty bad team. After that, in 2004 mind you, not 2005, he had 3,159 yards, 65.5 completion percentage, 27 TDs, 7 picks, and 104.8 QB rating.
You are all crazy.
We know Eli was drafted first... my point being that a QB was drafted simply because Brees wasn't getting the job done in SD. I've watched Brees for a while now and to be frank, he as awful at the time.
The injured shoulder happened during the last game of the 2005 season, after Rivers was drafted.. don't know what injury you speak of other than that one. They were going to let Brees go one way or another, because they had invested money into Rivers
A apologize if I read it wrong... regardless he still threw less INTs than Brees with the same TDs so how is that still even relevant???
No I'm not on drugs, 2004 was a huge redemption year for him, but sometimes having a #1 pick on your heels does that to you, since Rivers was drafted already.
Very well aware that he had good numbers in '04. But none of them led the league. It wasn't until he went to NO that he had league leading numbers. And the irony that he ties the TD record with the same guy that replaced him, only Rivers does it with less time and a blah run game.
Not that I don't understand why folks love Brees more than Rivers. But to say that the debate is crazy, IS crazy. Brees is having a great year, but also has a very good running game. Rivers has no running game right now but doing what he can w less talent and still playing at a high level
I guess we'll all just have to agree to disagree. But I'm right, ha. I'd take either QB though. Both are studs. Brees is just studlier.
And yes, my mistake on Brees as well. Talk about me the pot calling a kettle black. Brees wasn't re-signed because of the shoulder injury. I'm a dope. Love the knowledge from everyone here on the arguments, which makes this site so much fun. But gotta say, Breesus is my man. Plus, he never beat Penn State in his four years at Purdue, the only Big Ten school he failed to defeat. Gotta love him.
Ok, I'm going to put my 2 cents in right now...
#1. Rivers and Brees are probably more equal as QBs, they have slightly different styles but if this were Madden they'd have close to if not the same rating. (I'd say 96 off the top of my head)
#2. 2 things working against Rivers, Brees in two consecutive seasons has challenged for an all-time record (passing yards in a season, 2nd all-time to Marino) and for a perfect season. Rivers has had two things work against him, tumultuous collapses in both the regular season (Last season they were 4-8, before rallying) & the postseason loses (06 & 07 losses to NE) plus...he's got a West Coast bias working against him. If he played in Washington or Miami or Cleveland he would much more love.
#3. Rivers playing in with a torn ACL was gutty, but Brees playing QB at 5'11" (don't let the 6'1" listing fool you, he's 5'11") work to build their legend.
#4. This info about Brees struggling in SD is overrated, he had two very good seasons before he left the Chargers. The man went for 27 TDs and 7 Ints, 12-4 record, and lost to a pretty good Jets team in 2004-05. The next year he did 24 TDs and 15 Ints, went 9-7 (better than Rivers record last year) and lost 5 games by 5 points or less. That's 51 TDs and 22 Int's in 2 seasons. That ain't that bad.
#5. I need you all to remember how good the AFC West USED TO BE, because now its a dumpsterfire. In 2002-03, Oakland went to the Super Bowl, plus Denver & Kansas City were DAMNED GOOD. From 2003-04 to 2005-06 (3 seasons) Denver was 33-15 and KC was 30-18, had byes in the playoffs and were legitimate Super Bowl threats.
#6. As far as I'm concerned there is no difference in the offensive support for both teams. Put it another way, no one thought Minnesota had receiving threats till Favre got there, now folks think that the Vikings have the best trio of wideouts in the league. Just saying.
#7. I (along with Kenny) am truly blessed to have such thought-provoking readers. Thank you so much.
Now, someone battle me on the points I made. I'll drop the mic...
POW
-Ed.
LMAO okay you can be right... but I'm cuter! LOL
I love Brees, I'm glad he's doing well. I hope no one takes what I was saying as disrespect. But I want to see my man get his props. He's stopped the shenanigans now, so there is no need for people to solely look at his play on the field.
Just think... this could be a Cutler/Rivers debate... Bwahahahahahahhah!!!
I'm more used to the stupid McNabb/Garcia debates or McNabb/Kolb or McNabb/anyone else. I love McNabb. I love Brees. And Rivers is good.
But you are all crazy.
And I love Ed's point about how good the AFC West was when one Mr. Drew Brees was in town. I think I'm having fun here.
@Ed... good points.... I would challenge a couple but I simply don't feel like it... You do make valid points but the fact that you acknowledged they they are pretty close in play is enough for me... for today....
Me and Rev have already made up so I don't feel like fighting to kiss and make up twice in one day LOL love you Eddie!
i can see you point but i still think you are full of shit....rivers has 19 tds and 2,938 yrds; brees 27 tds n 3117yrds....so if u talking this year forget bout it....carrer wise brees has bout 195 tds n 29,375 yrds in 8 yrs.....rivers might caught up if he grows better with age but ithink when they walked brees it wasnt that he wasn't any good... in fact since 2002 drew brees consistantly threw for over 3,000 yrds every season.....so with that said i think blah blah blah blah blah....
*holding up the church finger* I hear what y’all are saying but Peyton Manning is the best QB! Jokes aside, all the points made are legit. So much so, I don’t have any to add.
It all boils down to who you’d choose to play Madden with, or in my case, replace the jokers we have in Buffalo. In asking what have you done for me lately? My answer is 11 – 0. I’ll take Brees for $1000 Alex.
The Raiders went to the Super Bowl in the 01-02 season... lol... sigh...
Rivers really did go .500 in the AFC West though... with that beastly offense around him. It seems like he takes forever to get things going, but when he's on, he's ON.
At least the math is correct. 17 is a greater number than 9.
Kenny is drunk.. That is all.. OK, maybe that's not all.. but like Paul said, the ONLY thing valid about this post is the math.. 17 is greater that 9.. Rivers greater than Brees? NO way, NO how, NOT now, NOT EVER!
Three headed "monster"? Reggie Bush is gonna get cut during the offseason.. Mike Bell? Let's be serious.. LT is better than both of those guys even now..
You say New Orleans offense is pass happy but Rivers has attempted MORE passes than Brees.. Gates and Jackson both have MORE receiving yards than Marques Colston (my big cousin), so I don't know if it's fair to say Rivers is doing more with less.. Brees may have bigger NAMES around him but that's it..
O yea, Brees is does have the HIGHEST QB rating in the league..
My Math teacher showed me the following math problem and I was stumped...
17 > 9
She translated:
17 IS GREATER THAN 9...EVERYTIME! Let me know if you need her to give you a lesson...
Soul On Ice, c'mon now bruh. LOL.
I read this superb article last night then turned around and read it again today. And I conclude: I simply do not see it.
I am sure you and I could enter into a great debate involving this interesting topic, but I don't think it would be neccessary. LOL.
Drew Brees has played the most important role in reversing the misfortunes of that football team. This season, he is an MVP candidate. Which says alot, on a team with hardly any household names, offensively. Reggie Bush has experienced his moments but they are far and in between.
LT has been one of the leagues premiere RBs for awhile now. That said, still, San Diego w/ LT & Rivers has choked badly in the playoffs.
I honestly believe Brees has made each of his receivers better. 3TDs in one quarter against a Bill Belichick coached team speaks volumes.
Switch the two QBs and San Diego would be a Super Bowl contender. New Orleans wouldn't make the playoffs.
I like your reads 'cause you make us think.
Many valid points have been made, but the Chargers don't bring in another QB just because their main guy is injured unless they don't think he can get the job done. PERIOD!
The Panthers stuck with Delhomme even after Tommy Johns surgery.
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